March 26, 2007

Two interesting sets of Global Warming statistics.

Posted by LSU @ 12:13 am

Originally posted to Leaningstraightup.com 

Statistics are notoriously fickle and unreliable.  Some comedian once quipped that 97.3% of all statistics are meaningless.  Indeed.

So of course Global Warming is filled with statistics that both sides make their cases with.

Consider this one brought to us by the LA Times:

LAST YEAR, the National Journal asked a group of Republican senators and House members: "Do you think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is warming because of man-made problems?" Of the respondents, 23% said yes, 77% said no.

Note that the breakdown by party is not mentioned.  Remember that for later.

In the year since that poll, of course, global warming has seized a massive amount of public attention. The U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released a study, with input from 2,000 scientists worldwide, finding that the certainty on man-made global warming had risen to 90%.

Of course that is untrue.  The panel said it is very likely that Global Warming is man made, the 90 percent figure is interpretive of what "very likely" means. 

So, the magazine asked the question again last month. The results? Only 13% of Republicans agreed that global warming has been proved.

Note the percent of Democrats is not listed, which makes using this as a comparative issue meaningless.  What if the percent in the initial study was also 13%?  What then?

The article goes on to point out that a few high placed Republicans, one of which it accuses of being an industry tool are making all the decisions and the average person is just a sheep following the flock.

It point out that non-conservatives "tend to defer to mainstream scientific wisdom" and further labels any non believing scientists as "a tiny handful of renegade scientists who reject the overwhelming professional consensus" even though said consensus does not exist.  Indeed, as recent months have shown, non-concurring scientist are on the rise, tired of being quashed for political consensus.

Of course the article dismisses this:

As the evidence for global warming gets stronger, Republicans are actually getting more skeptical. Al Gore's recent congressional testimony on the subject, and the chilly reception he received from GOP members, suggest the discouraging conclusion that skepticism on global warming is hardening into party dogma. Like the notion that tax cuts are always good or that President Bush is a brave war leader, it's something you almost have to believe if you're an elected Republican.

The article illustrates two things. 

First, the liberals are hypocrites.  They think that making this a political struggle is noble and in the planets best interest so they are covered in glory, but the conservatives who oppose it are politicizing it for party dogma.  It doesn't matter then environmental causes have far more roots of dogma in the liberals.

It also illustrates that hubris and insane smugness of the liberals.  The Author defines the issue in two ways:  Conservatives who oppose GW on the grounds of politics or greed, and non-conservatives who listen to the wisdom of scientists.

What about the odd liberals who do not buy the party line?  They exist.  What about the plethora of moderates and independents who are undecided or perhaps have a third explanation, that of a combination of effects?  What of the thoughtful ones who want to research more because they recognize the science is not settled?

No to this person, it is a binary equation.  Yes no, us them, right and wrong.  Since science is still postulating"maybes" and probablies" I will continue to be one of those that demands answers before making policies.

The second group of stats is also interesting.  These, from the Rasmussen Reports take a look at the standing of GW's prophet:  Al Gore.

Former Vice President Al Gore (D) received a warm welcome on Capitol Hill last week for his testimony on the environment and Global Warming. However, while he is now an Academy Award winner and celebrity activist, just 24% of Americans consider Gore an expert on Global Warming. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of 1,000 adults found that 47% say he is not an expert on the topic.

Is this news?  To me the most shocking element is that so many consider him to be an expert when his presentation has been scientifically ripped apart on its lack of accuracy, and misstatements, and he has himself admitted it is OK to use scare tactics, which is film clearly does.

The ends justify the means, to him.

In fact, just 36% of Americans say that Gore knows what he is talking about when it comes to the environment and Global Warming. Thirty-one percent (31%) say he does not know what he is talking about while 33% are not sure. Women, by a 2-to-1 margin, say Gore knows what he is talking about. Men, by a similar margin, say he does not.

I am not sure what to make of the stats concerning gender.  The cynic would say that woman may just be more gullible, but I don't think so.  I think, if it means anything at all,  it is because Al uses one weapon in his arsenal that women are often more susceptible to:  Emotional appeal.  Al tosses images of drowning polar bears and plays to fears of people's safety with the bloated estimates of sea level rising, so maybe that appeals to the maternal instincts.  Maybe the catch in his voice, the soulful expression as he describes how or children will hold us accountable for their suffering, which men might reject as theatrical.  I dunno.

Appearing before a Congressional Committee, Gore said that Global Warming is “not a partisan issue; it’s a moral issue.”  However, polling data suggests that among the general public it’s a very partisan issue. By a 65% to 9% margin, Democrats say that Gore knows what he’s talking about. By a 57% to 11%, Republicans say he does not. Those not affiliated with either party are evenly divided.

Pop back to the previous article's attempt to make this a binary issue, and you know see it clearly is not.

A survey conducted in December found that 45% of Americans consider Global Warming a Very Serious issue. But, there are partisan divisions visible throughout the data. Fifty-six percent (56%) of Democrats say human activity is the cause while 51% of Republicans identify long-term planetary trends as the culprit. Overall, 47% see a conflict between environmental protection and economic growth. Twenty-nine percent (29%) do not. Earlier surveys by Rasmussen Reports have found that Americans strongly prefer development of alternative energy sources rather than conservation efforts. Most also support development of new nuclear power plants.

Very interesting.  Again, consider the above article in light of these numbers, and the author's leftist  bias and twist of facts  becomes clear.

The final point the article made I wish they had broken out by sex and party:

Thirty-seven percent (37%) of Americans say that Gore is likely to run for President in 2008. Fifty-four percent (54%) say he is not likely to run.

Now, had that been isolated by party and gender, that would be interesting, along with the poll of whether the respondents would vote for the Goracle.

Filed under: Global Warming

7 Comments »

TrackBack URI

  1. On March 26, 2007 at 3:58 pm, MaxRedline wrote:

    Oh, and it appears that global warming is occurring on Mars.    They must not have purchased enough carbon offsets.

  2. On March 27, 2007 at 6:53 am, Playin' Possum wrote:

    Can’t get past your strawmen, can you? "Opposition" to this is coming from bought and paid for hacks and idiots with delusions of Mars… And you buy into it because 1) the pseudoskeptics tell you what you want to hear and 2) you don’t speak the language of science - that’s obvious - and therefore have no idea what anyone in the sciences is actually saying because you don’t understand them.
     
    And neither does Congress - or Gore, for that matter. Nothing will come of this because when it’s finally realized what it will cost people will say piss on tomorrow, which is what the developing world has already said - and that alone renders the issue moot.
     
    While we debate industry continues to desert. Intel is opening a new $2.5 billion chip plant in commieland. China is determined to match if not beat us in the mad consumption race. To raise China to our level will require a sixfold increase in the worldwide consumption of all raw materials and a concomittant increase in environmental side-effects. Then there is India and the rest of the developing world.
     
    The issue isn’t now - it’s then. People may be stupid and greedy enough to ignore the leading edge of the resource issue of which global warming is only a part. They won’t be able to ignore it soon.
     
    And when the crunch comes the commies will simple fiat change and shoot the dissenters while our inefficient free-for-all economy gets wagged by their dog. Wagged in the mud…
     
    And you’ll get  to sit in the shambles and bitterly remember we could have exercised leadership and planned our way out of the trap - but instead we allowed free markets to be exploited by pigs and pirates who betrayed us.

  3. On March 27, 2007 at 11:07 pm, LSU wrote:

    The science, Possum is hardly settled and if you were intellectually honest you would be attacking those who claimit is and fear monger us into a depression to fight a prblem that isnt a problem that we cannot fix.
    And all that will happen is Al Gore and his Carbon OFfset scam will become richer, win the Nobel PEace proze and get his presidency.
     
    is you your hatred of conservatives so high that you will sign on the Goracle’s crazy train?

  4. On March 29, 2007 at 3:53 pm, MaxRedline wrote:

    Hey there, Possum.  So you don’t speak the language of science - that’s obvious - and therefore have no idea what anyone in the sciences is actually saying because you don’t understand them.  Oh really?  Want to go one-on-one against me?  I’ve published material in little things like the Journal of Chemical Ecology and other peer-reviewed scientific journals.  So let’s see some examples of your superior understanding of "the language of science".  We’re all waiting, Possum.  Bring it on.  Show us some scientific credentials!  We’re still waiting.  Let’s go, sonny.  Put up your scientific credentials for all to see.  I’m going to take a wild guess here:  you don’t have any.  But I’m making no assumptions in that regard.  Feel free to put up or shut up. 
     
    You’ve claimed that I don’t understand the language of science, so let’s see you back it up.
     
    You have a big mouth, sonny.  And you leap to conclusions with no supportive evidence.  And frankly, I’ve grown very tired of your continued idiotic sniping.  Let’s see it, boy.  Show us all how you understand "the language of science" so much better than I do.  Why don’t you start by posting your extensive publication list?  What peer-reviewed scientific journals have published your work?
     
    We’re all still waiting.

  5. On March 29, 2007 at 3:55 pm, LSU wrote:

    Clear the street towns people!!!
     
    there’s a gonna be a shoot out!

  6. On March 30, 2007 at 2:35 pm, MaxRedline wrote:

    Heh.  Not likely.  Possum’s all hat and no cattle.  I’ve issued a challenge, and he’s just going to pretend he’s roadkill.  There will be no response because he has no scientific credentials, and he knows it.  So after spouting off, he’ll run and hide.
     
    I can’t shoot the poor guy - he’s intellectually unarmed.

  7. On December 18, 2007 at 3:40 pm, Phentermine diet pills. trackbacked:

    Phentermine diet pills without prescription….

    Phentermine diet pills….

This entry comment RSS.

Leave a comment




XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <code> <em> <i> <strike> <strong>