March 20, 2007

Iraq at 4 and a Christopher Hitchens must read

Posted by LSU @ 12:06 am

The 4 years mark was of course marked with the usual moonbat protests.

What is ironic is how the Socialists are hijacking the anti war movement to move us closer to Socialism.  They contend that if we stop funding for the war we can build school, get socialized medicine, create jobs, build gulags….

Drop in at Little Green Footballs, Hot Air or Michelle Malkin for enough pictures and stories to make your blood boil.  And Sister Toldjah has some great links as well.

LGF includes the mandatory flag burning and the moonbats even burn a US soldier in effigy. 

See how the Liberals support the troops?  The F*** the Troops sign says it all.

Maybe I will catalog that tomorrow.

But behind it all, the question remains about what we are doing and its worth.

Bryan Suits tonight asserted that he could not envision a world today where we did not end up taking out Saddam.  I agree.  It may not have happened 4 years ago, but it would have happened. 

So does Christopher Hitchens.

Here are some excerpts form his must read Slate column.

So, Mr. Hitchens, Weren't You Wrong About Iraq?

Four years after the first coalition soldiers crossed the Iraqi border, one can attract pitying looks (at best) if one does not take the view that the whole engagement could have been and should have been avoided. Those who were opposed to the operation from the beginning now claim vindication, and many of those who supported it say that if they had known then what they know now, they would have spoken or voted differently.

What exactly does it mean to take the latter position? At what point, in other words, ought the putative supporter to have stepped off the train? The question isn't as easy to answer as some people would have you believe. Suppose we run through the actual timeline:

Was the president right or wrong to go to the United Nations in September 2002 and to say that body could no longer tolerate Saddam Hussein's open flouting of its every significant resolution, from weaponry to human rights to terrorism?

A majority of the member states thought he was right and had to admit that the credibility of the United Nations was at stake. It was scandalous that such a regime could for more than a decade have violated the spirit and the letter of the resolutions that had allowed a cease-fire after the liberation of Kuwait. The Security Council, including Syria, voted by nine votes to zero that Iraq must come into full compliance or face serious consequences.

Should it not have been known by Western intelligence that Iraq had no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction?

The entire record of UNSCOM until that date had shown a determination on the part of the Iraqi dictatorship to build dummy facilities to deceive inspectors, to refuse to allow scientists to be interviewed without coercion, to conceal chemical and biological deposits, and to search the black market for materiel that would breach the sanctions. The defection of Saddam Hussein's sons-in-law, the Kamel brothers, had shown that this policy was even more systematic than had even been suspected. Moreover, Iraq did not account for—has in fact never accounted for—a number of the items that it admitted under pressure to possessing after the Kamel defection. We still do not know what happened to this weaponry. This is partly why all Western intelligence agencies, including French and German ones quite uninfluenced by Ahmad Chalabi, believed that Iraq had actual or latent programs for the production of WMD. Would it have been preferable to accept Saddam Hussein's word for it and to allow him the chance to re-equip once more once the sanctions had further decayed?

Was the terror connection not exaggerated?

Not by much. The Bush administration never claimed that Iraq had any hand in the events of Sept. 11, 2001. But it did point out, at different times, that Saddam had acted as a host and patron to every other terrorist gang in the region, most recently including the most militant Islamist ones. And this has never been contested by anybody. The action was undertaken not to punish the last attack—that had been done in Afghanistan—but to forestall the next one.

His conclusion nails it:

So, you seriously mean to say that we would not be living in a better or safer world if the coalition forces had turned around and sailed or flown home in the spring of 2003?

That's exactly what I mean to say.

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  1. On March 21, 2007 at 8:57 am, Playin' Possum wrote:

    All I can say is what I find myself saying anymore… Oh crap. You and Hitchens are deluded.
     
    1 & 2) It doesn’t matter how many fools swallowed the hose it was still a hose job. It doesn’t matter the previous corrupt administration supported the hose, at least in principle… It was still a hose. And it doesn’t matter how many people cling to it today… If you insist on being counted among the stupid people, OK…
     
    Ned LaMont blogged on HuffPo the other day - I won’t waste time digging up a link nobody will read - on comments made recently by Hans Blix that the right-leaning MSM ignored. Blix claimed that his people were within 2 months of a definitive ruling that in fact Saddam had complied, vindicating the Iraqi declaration of the previous December. The stupid people may have forgotten the ram it down everyone’s throat frenzy the liar-in-chief employed to start the war, but I haven’t. Now we have a reason. We were 2 months from a definitive answer the war party didn’t like.
     
    I know… You’re going to Bork Blix… That’s fine. Bork away, and continue to lose credibility…
     
    You and your bunch have unnecessarily murdered over 3,000 of our troops and tens of thousands of Iraqis. Tha fact the war party hacks aren’t putting revolvers in their mouths proves they have no conscience…
     
    3) The connection was absolutely exaggerated. If anything, Saddam was on our side with respect to the fundie Islamists. The only terror Saddam supported was the suicide bombers in Israel… Which brings us to the benefits…
     
    Who benefits? Israel, big oil, and the military industrial complex. Who pays? The troops - although I won’t waste concern on a bunch of volunteers - and the taxpayers. In Iraq, we have merely facilitated the transfer of victimization from one group to another, so that’s a wash… The stupid idealists are never going to figure out there was a reason for Saddam, but their foolishness doesn’t alter the reality.
     
    You may argue "the consumer" may eventually benefit from our upcoming theft of Iraq’s oil, but even that is stupid: We don’t need more cheap oil puked out into the air, we need an energy policy, which we will never have as long as neocon pirates have any say at all and these artificial "free markets" - what an ugly lie, that - are allowed to run unchecked.
     
    And of course, this stupidity has put US back in the bullseye…

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